She has not been heard from since. Svali, in 2006, predicted financial collapse, the coming antichrist, and more. She escaped from the Illuminati after she started realizing how destructive it was what she was doing. TPTB rule the world; it’s just not open yet.
August 31, 2023
“I was told that there would be an enormous economic collapse prior to the “Revealing”. That basically the stock market would destabilize. And I was told it would make the Great Depression look like Sunday school. And at that time, they’re going to really be manipulating finances to bring about chaos, confusion, warfare, and then…” – Svali
Svali, Illuminati defector, disappeared six months after this interview
She gave an exclusive interview on Greg Szymanski’s radio show, in January 2006.
Furthermore, her rather detailed website has been taken down and her telephone number disconnected. One of her close friends, who wanted to remain anonymous, fears something serious has happened. With that in mind, and in an effort to keep her publicly protected and her story alive, the Arctic Beacon reprinted a transcript of her lengthy interview from her appearance with Greg on the radio show of January 17, 2006.
Thank you to Svali for (probably) giving her life to get us this crucial information
Few people have done more to expose the beyond-terrible things that the Illuminati have done to us, plan to do, and do to their own members. Anytime that you wish you were born into a rich and powerful family, remember Svali. These people desperately need our prayers; throughout the centuries people have tried to escape.
Svali was once a programmer for the Illuminati, where she lived a double-life
She herself has gone through trauma-based mind control since she was a newborn, which split her personality in thousands of fractions as a result. From these fractions, her programmers then built a whole new brain structure; implanting commands, false memories, amnesia, and a lot of other things to create a total Illuminati mind controlled slave.
Her task was then to program others in similar ways, so each and every person within the group could be assigned different tasks and accomplish them without hesitation or protest. These tasks could be anything from prostitution to brutal murder.
‘Special and born to rule over the masses’
Like many others born into the Illuminati, from her birth in Germany, Svali had no choice in her future, as her wealthy, rich, and powerful parents charted her course as a ‘Chosen Child’ from an early age. Told she was ‘special and born to rule over the masses’ to make ‘a better world’, Svali recalls going to regular Illuminati meetings with other chosen children at least three times a week, after moving from Germany to Virginia, and then finally to San Diego.
Escape from the Illuminati
Svali later managed to escape from the Illuminati, after she started waking up, realizing how destructive it was what she was doing. She kept herself in hiding for years and was very reluctant to giving interviews, afraid of being caught.
However, in January of 2006 she decided to do an interview with the anti New World Order radio host Greg Szymanski. I don’t know much about Greg, and whether or not he was a paid shill. He might have been a true patriot.
Approximately six months after the interview, Svali disappeared
A friend of hers at the time said she suspected the worst: either the Illuminati killed her or she was brought back into the cult to be tuned up, as they call it, which meant she would be ‘re-programmed’, so she would stay in the cult. It has been reported since then that Svali did go into hiding and is safe. However, I don’t trust these so-called facts; there is no evidence of it.
In this interview with Greg Szymanski, Svali explains how the Illuminati organization is structured, in general. It is of course much, much more complex than this.
(GS = Greg Szymanski)
GS: We are going to get deep inside the Illuminati, the Family, the Order. We have a guest who was involved with this group, born into it, for over thirty years. Her name is Svali. Svali, are you with us?
Svali: Oh yes, I am.
GS: Well, it’s nice to have you here, and I know you don’t give radio interviews. And I really want to thank you, because I think it really does help the American people to understand about this secret organization that you were born into.
Svali: I was born into this group, born in Germany, came to this very young. And basically went through all the training that the group – all members of the group do undergo training to different degrees, depending on their role.
By the time I was a teenager I was a youth leader, and by the time I was 22 I became the youngest member – leadership counsel in San Diego County – and at that time I was a head trainer. I was the sixth trainer. I was moved up to the second position.
When I was 12, I had mentioned to you, about the ceremony at the Vatican, that they really do make all leadership in the group undergo, at some point.
GS: You moved back to the States. You were told at a very young age that you were special, that you were chosen. Am I correct?
Svali: Well, they tell everyone in the group that they are special and chosen. And in fact, that was one of the things that made me cynical when I was older. You will never meet a person who is an Illuminati who has not been told and programmed for years that they are special. That they are the only one who can do things for “family”. But I was told that, yes, I would do great things for family one day. And the reason why, I guess, I can filter some of this with an objective view is, I know what my role in the group was. And it was over quite a significant number of other people. So I don’t evaluate what my role or specialness was in the group so much by what I was told, but by what I did.
GS: So you reached the age of 12 and then you were told by your parents that you were going to an induction ceremony in the Vatican. Can you tell us how that happened, and what occurred at that ceremony when you went there?
Svali: Okay. This isn’t easy to talk about, as you know. I was 12. I was flown over to Germany. And I was at – I’ll call it the German father’s house, over there. There was some preparation for a few days, beforehand. I was told that there would be a very important ceremony, and it was considered a ceiling ceremony at that point. And basically I was told a little bit about what I was expected to do during the ceremony. When we got there, we went to the Vatican. There is, underneath the Vatican a large room, that I described to you when we talked before. It has 13 catacomb chambers leading into it, and what they do, as you go down these steps into the room, you can see that – it’s circular, so they are all rounded, and they bring out the mummies from the catacombs, and they set them beside each one, and they say, that is the spirits of the fathers, watching over the ceremony. And during the ceremony there was a large table in the center of the room. It was on top of a huge golden pentagram. And they had the ceremony there.
GS: How many other children were with you, being inducted with you into “the Family”, or “The Order”, as they call it?
Svali: There were two other children, but there were several adults there too. You see, the church also brings in adults, for further allegiance to… (?). I was told – I don’t know if this is true – if you rise to a certain position within the Catholic Church hierarchy, then you do have to go through that ceremony.
GS: So you are down in this room. Your parents weren’t present?
Svali: No. The German father and grandfather were. There was a table – it looked like dark glass – in the center of the room. It was made of stone, but it looked very shiny and dark and black. It may have been something like obsidian or onyx, I’m not sure. That’s the only time I’ve seen stone that looked like that. And it had around the corners these gold – I guess – channels that collect fluids. And a little boy was placed in the center of the room, on drugs – I think he was drugged, because he was very quite. He didn’t move or say anything during the ceremony.
GS: This was a little 3 or 4 year old boy. Correct? And then they continued to do a child sacrifice right in front of you.
Svali: Yes. Right. I was terrified. I mean, I was absolutely horrified! I can’t describe the terror you feel when you go through something like that. The man was in scarlet. He was speaking in Latin. And basically he was saying, “Please accept the sacrifice on this day”. And then he said, “This sacrifice will seal the ceremony”. And then he did it.
Again, I was so terrified that… Have you ever been in a situation where your heart is racing but you can’t do anything, and so you are just sitting there, and you are caught fading in and out?
GS: I can remember as a youth being frightened, but I don’t think I’ve ever.…
Svali: No. All right. Well, imagine your heartrate going up to about 220. You can’t move, so you are kind of shaking, but you are trying not to show it. It was horrible. Actually, I kept thinking inside, ‘I can’t wait until this is over. I can’t wait until this is over. I can’t wait until this is over’.
Afterwards, the man in scarlet, he had a huge golden ring on his hand. He came over to the center of the room, and he had each of the people who were swearing that day. I had to go forward and kneel before him, and kiss his ring, and swear my allegiance to the New Order, the New World Order, for all, until my death.
GS: Now, at that point you were escorted out.
Svali: Yes. After the ceremony it was all over. The other people did theirs as well – they had to swear allegiance too.
GS: They were about the same age as you?
Svali: The two children were, but there were also three adults there too, who did the same. And afterwards we were told, “May the same or worse occur to you, should you ever break this oath”.
It, it was very difficult, just because the sense of horrific oppression down there was the worse – I mean, I’ve been through some ceremonies in my life in the Illuminati – you do go through them – and I have to say in my experience that this was the worst. I can’t explain the amount of darkness in a room like that. It was just pure evil! Unless you’ve even been seeing oppression, I mean, it was just horrible! It wasn’t just what happened, but I mean, the oppression! And I’m a Christian now, I know the difference now between when there is evil present, oppression or when God’s love is present, and joy, and peace, which is the exact opposite of what was in that room.
GS: Now you know what I find quite interesting about this. About 25 years ago I was a reporter and a freelance writer in Rome, and I spent 6 years there – walked through the Vatican hundreds of times – covered the Papal addresses, things like that, and during that time I was there during a Vatican scandal, which involved the church bank, and other things, members of the Illuminati, the Freemasons, and I was approached by a woman. Maria Vendital (ph), and I’ll never forget this. Rome is a small town, and people knew I was covering stories about the secret societies, things like that, because I had to ask people. Well, this woman came up to me and told me similar stories, although she wasn’t quite as specific, because she couldn’t handle it, and she would break out crying, and had tried to commit suicide twice, because she couldn’t get out of the Illuminati. She was a member, young. She was born into it, a very wealthy Northern Italian family. And she told me basically the same ceremony took place with her. And so when I started talking to you, I wanted to relay that to you, and also to relay to my listeners that I heard about this 25 years ago, from a woman by the name of Maria and many other people, several people in Italy that I talked to.
I was never able to locate or – really, probably for my own safety – never find out what happened. But, again, Svali is corroborating a story that I heard about 25 years ago.
Svali, you leave the induction ceremony, you walk out into the Vatican courtyard, you walk out with one of the fathers. What did he tell you then?
Svali: He told me to never forget. He told me I performed well during the ceremony, because I didn’t scream or pass out or anything like that. He said, “You did very well”. He was pleased. We went and stayed at the home of a local person nearby; we spent the night there, before we went back to Germany.
GS: How did the other people at the ceremony, how did they handle themselves, do you remember?
Svali: When you are in that kind of situation, the last thing you are thinking about is what the other people are doing. I was so busy trying not to lose it, myself. I mean, no one screamed or shouted, or anything like that. Everyone was quiet; there was dead silence. Unless the person was spoken to, or unless they had to go forward and kiss the ring.
GS: You go back home. You’re 12 years old. You said you were schooled into 12 disciplines. I’m just going to give you the microphone, and let you begin and tell the listeners what you think is important about your original training, about the group, and about many things that I know people want to know about the Illuminati. Go ahead.
Svali (SV): Okay. Well, Greg, first I want to say that my purpose in talking about this is not to glorify evil. Because there are very wicked people out there, very powerful people. And I do not want at all to magnify their power. But I do want people to know that this is real, that these people exist, that people who say, “There are people out there who are involved in these activities”, it really happens. I also know that because there are children being hurt in the group, every day. And that is my motivation for coming forward. I don’t like giving interviews, for obvious reasons. I am willing this one time to lay aside my thoughts of personal safety, because these people need to be stopped, it needs to be stopped. And, normally children in the group are born into it. While the Illuminati very rarely goes outside recruitment, that’s not their main method. It’s just passed down generationally from father to son, and mother to daughter, to children, until the whole family line is in it.
Throughout the centuries people have tried to escape, but a lot of times they were either poisoned, murdered or set up to look like a suicide. They don’t like it when people leave, and they try to make it very difficult. Simply because it looks bad. They go through an enormous amount of training from the time you are an infant. You undergo indoctrination. And when I say indoctrination, I don’t just mean cult programming so much as watching your parents and see what they do. My parents modeled their behavior. To them it was very important for growing up. I saw that three times a week everything was dropped to attend to the activities. Okay?
And basically, their training process is designed to help you take on your adult role in the group. The Illuminati covers so many levels there, too! It goes all the way from what most people think of as, like, a satanic coven type thing, at the very low, local level. [John Todd taught us it’s like a witchcraft coven at the highest level too.] All the way to, it’s a huge, enormous business corporation. At the mid-levels you have people overseeing finances and administration. I mean, these people are making a lot of money through gun running, through white slavery, prostitution, pornography, they have links and ties to the mafia left and right. In fact, the mafia are afraid of them. Well, think about it! Because they know that you don’t cross the members of the group.
They have a very spiritual orientation. They are not satanic, though, they are Luciferian, which is a difference. Their ultimate goal is of their spiritual philosophy in there. That’s the discipline that they believe. Should you complete all your training, you become a god. That is their actual end goal. They believe in the achievement of godhood – of Illuminist philosophy, through what they call “Enlightenment” or “Illumination”, which is how they got their name.
They are international. In Europe there are 12 fathers who sit, who represent the different nations of Europe. They are very expectantly awaiting ‘he who is to come’ [the coming antichrist!], and during that ceremony in Vatican, on my knees I had to swear my allegiance to serve he who is to come. [Note that the radio show is paused at this very moment, and Svali can no longer talk about this crucial issue! Very disturbing.]
GS: You were telling us about this hierarchy that starts with twelve fathers. Can you just run that down for us?
SV: Sure. At the top levels, it’s in Rome. That’s the center or the heart of the Illuminati. That’s where the power base is. And that’s why all leadership must swear fealty in Rome, because that’s considered the core of, ‘the spiritual center of the universe’. That’s how they view it.
From there, in Europe there are twelve fathers – one for each country in Europe. When I was younger I had to also meet with the fathers at one point and kiss the ring, and go through another ceremony of allegiance to them as well.
In the Illuminati, the European fathers rule over what are called the different Houses. For instance, if you are from Germany then you belong to the German House, if you are from France you belong to the French House – they call them “Houses”…. UK, Russia, Poland, Belgium, Spain, Italy, and others. [I looked it up, and in the Netherlands we have “The House of Orange-Nassau”.
From there, America was considered a mission field for them. In the 17, actually in the 1600s, Pittsburgh became the first port of entry for them. That’s where they first settled. That’s why it’s still considered a spiritual power base for the group on the East Coast in the US. From there, it spread out across the Atlantic seaboard, and then throughout the nation. The nation is divided into many regions, multiple regions but seven main regions. The East Coast region has its spiritual power base in Pittsburgh, but the administrative power base is in Alexandria, Virginia. That’s where they administer the finances during the day to day operations. The West Coast, or the West region, west of the Mississippi, has its power base in the San Diego area.
GS: And that’s where you spent a lot of time, correct?
SV: Yes. I was sent from…. the Alexandria Council sent me to San Diego to help them out. Those are the two, of course, main regions. And then each of those regions are divided into sub-regions. So then you have your Regional Councils sitting over those, and overseeing activities. If you can think of the structure of a large multinational corporation, that’s really how the Illuminati is structured. Then beneath each of the regional councils are your local councils. They call them sister groups or sisters, or your local councils. Then you have your local groups under those as well, or what they call the sister groups. Any major metropolitan city could have anywhere from five to fifteen groups, depending on the size of the population base. Or more.
GS: Now you were saying that, how many people are in this group in America now, from your estimate, of knowing a lot of this stuff?
SV: Pure Illuminati, I would say about one percent, give or take, based on population.
GS: Now their goal, basically. Just give us the broad overview goal, and then I want to get into some of these, you know, your role in it, and some of these ways that the Illuminati makes money that you learned about.
SV: You know, when you say, “To rule the world”, it almost sounds laughable – like “yeah, right”, you know. I think people get ideas of thinking or wanting to rule the world. But really, that is their goal. They believe that they are the intelligent leaders, and they believe that the rest of the world are sheep that need wise… They see themselves as wise leadership. So they believe that their goal is to rule the world. But at the same time, they have occult ways of doing that. Their main way of doing that is behind the scenes. They believe in infiltration of the media, of education, and of government – those are the three areas – and of the financial system. And they have successfully done quite a bit of all four throughout Europe and the US, as well as other countries.
It’s all one group; there are just different levels. The Illuminati is divided into different branches of learning. These branches include Sciences, Military, Government, Leadership, Scholarship, and Spiritual [infiltrated churches worldwide]. Those are the six branches of learning. And while all children need to undergo some training or teaching in each area, as they get older… They begin profiling you from infancy, and they know where your activities and abilities are. Then you’re, you really go into… Most people specialize in one branch or possibly two branches of learning.
GS: And you were involved in what branch?
SV: I was heavily involved in Sciences, and also to some degree I did some Spiritual as well – but mainly Sciences.
GS: These twelve disciplines… As a child, you were rigorously trained in this, correct?
GS: Okay. And what were those disciplines?
1. To not need. 2. To not want. 3. To not wish. 4. Survival of the fittest. 5. The code of silence. 6. Betrayal is the greatest good. 7. Not caring. 8. Time travel. 9,10,11: Sexual trauma, learning to dissociate, and increase cognition, decrease feeling – details of these 3 steps vary according to the child’s future role in the cult. 12. Coming of age ceremony (Vatican underground sacrifice).
SV: I think the best way would be to give you an example of just one type of training that they do. I was two years old. I was left in a room for probably a 24-hour period. When you are that age it is hard to estimate, but it was a long time. I know that the sun did go around (laughs) at least once, and it wasn’t just like a few hours. At that age, when you are two and you are left alone without food and water, you are terrified. And at the end of the time, I was just dying of thirst. My morale was just… I have never been so thirsty in my entire life!
My mother walked into the room. A lot of times they have the children, you know, or the parents train the children at these early ages. There was a table in the middle of the room, and I was sitting at it. She brings in this cold pitcher of water and she starts pouring it. I said, “Mom! I want a drink of water!”, and she slapped me out of the chair. And I remember crying! And as I’m crying, she’s drinking the water in front of me, and she leaves! She takes the pitcher of water. And a couple of hours later, she came back in and did the same thing. And I said, “Mom, Mom, I want water!” And she slapped me! I mean, across the room. After this had happened about three times, luckily I was bright enough that by the third time she came in, I mean, I remember crying silently, but I just looked at her. I didn’t ask. After she got up and left with the pitcher, a man came into the room. He said, “You did very well that time”. And then he gave me a drink of water. That was part of the “learning not to want” stage.
Looking back on it, I realize now as an adult that the part of that training was to teach me not to recognize my own physiological needs, and respond to them, but to look to outside people to tell me what I wanted or needed.
GS: Now, you told me you led a dual life in the Illuminati. That’s basically how they function.
SV: Oh yeah!
GS: You have a day job, and then at nighttime you’re quite busy sometimes with the cult activities, correct?
GS: You said you had these meetings three times a week. I said, “Well, what about if I wanted to go and visit, and maybe do a story about them?” Would I be able to find one of these meetings that were going on, in your area of Escondido?
SV: Well no, because of the security measures. And you really don’t want to show up unannounced at a meeting if you could get through their security, because the chances are you would never make it out alive. Let’s just say that a certain auto accident would occur, and be reported in the papers: “Unfortunate accident – man accidentally runs into tree”. I mean, I’m serious! The security that they have during group meetings is so intense that it would be very difficult. They have security at the one-mile perimeter, the three-mile perimeter and the five-mile perimeter. They have three people assigned. Usually one is up in a tree where you can’t see him at the five-mile perimeter. And then you have one person who is standing, who looks like a security guard for the estate, because these are often large, wealthy estates, which is appropriate. He is dressed in a uniform. The third person is standing hidden behind a tree. As cars come through, and they come through the gates – remember these are gated estates. So if it’s not someone on their approved license checklist, they will stop the car. It’s just like at a military installation. They will say, “Can I help you? Are you lost?” Their goal is to delay the person. Now if a person is saying, “Oh, this is blah blah blah”, and they are just asking for directions, they will give them directions, be very pleasant, and send them on their way, to where they are supposed to be going. But if they are acting as if they want to go further into the estate, and this is not an okay person, then they will say, “Uh, all right, well, He’s not expecting you”. That’s a code word. That tells the person either behind, up in the tree, or hidden further back – they radio ahead and they say: “unexpected visitor”. At that point, everyone has been trained to pick up and leave immediately, within five minutes – with no traces of the activity!
GS: I find that to be interesting – why the cult doesn’t get caught. Is there anything in just a brief time you could explain to us… that?
SV: Well, their security, their money, their influence. Some of these people even own newspapers. Imagine trying to get an (laughs) article published, you know, disclosing… There’s a lot of reasons why they don’t get caught. That’s the first thing people ask.
Then my next question is, “Well, how many child pornographers are there out there, that the police have been “chasing for years, and have never found or caught?” And they’re not even members of a secret organization. They’re just trying to hide, you know. So when you consider that…
GS: Yeah. You were a mid-level person in this organization, a head trainer. What did you learn about the infiltration of this group into all of our different areas of government and media? They are basically at the high levels of most of our financial institutions also, correct?
GS: And that is a great way to pursue their goal. I guess I’ve got to ask you this. How come things are moving a little bit faster in America now? I remember back in the 80s when I was confronted with this, when I came back home I didn’t really see this kind of New World Order movement… all this different symbolism that you see now. What is going on right now [in 2006]? Why are things stepped up since 9/11?
SV: I believe it’s because they can see the fulfillment of their goal… See, I’m going to sound very cynical now, and please forgive me for this, okay? Their goal is to rule the world, and personally I believe that they do – it’s just not open yet. And they say they’re now preparing people for when they disclose themselves openly. Does that mean that they can’t be stopped? I believe they could. I believe it would take a miracle, because of the amount of infiltration I see at all levels of society, and the world. These guys, these people have a lot of money. They have a lot of influence. And your average person has no idea of how much is going on behind the scenes that no one understands.
But, with that said, I think that they’re already there, they just aren’t open. These people just don’t know where they’re going! If they did, I think the average person would be horrified to know how much is going on behind the scenes that people really don’t know. But you see, I don’t want to sound disparaging, because I am also a strong Christian. I have faith in God, and I believe through prayer, and through people knowing… I mean, I would like them to be stopped. I just don’t know, at this point…. How do you take on the financial institutions of the world, the major oil enterprises of the world, you know? That’s the question!
GS: Now what did you learn? You outline some in of your writings, the big money-making… the ways this group makes its money. Can you go over and outline some of those methods?
SV: Again, if you can think of an illegal activity, they’re probably involved at some point. Maybe not overtly, at the point of where the actual money is first shaking hands – but when you have child pornography, prostitution, white slavery, gun running, gambling… then at some point where the money is changing hands, buffered by about four layers of people, there’s going to probably be someone from the Illuminati involved at that point. These guys have their fingers in everything!
But they also use legitimate means. They launder their money. When you have a lot of money, you have to do something with it. And so, these men don’t come in and say, “Hi! I’m a member of the Illuminati, and I want to run your bank”. What they’ll do is they’ll quietly come in and become a quiet investor, start buying up shares. And over a period of maybe, almost a lifetime, they will get a controlling interest in the bank, or become a very… you know. Or maybe in their son’s lifetime. That’s the other thing about the Illuminati. The Illuminati do not see it as “This is what must happen now, in my lifetime”. These people have goals that last for centuries, for two centuries. They are very, very patient.
GS: And that’s why the specific training of the children is so important, correct?
SV: Yes. It’s to teach you patience! Everyone knows, growing up in the group, we may not see the coming Order [New World Order] disclosed or open or revealed in our lifetime, but our children or our grandchildren may. So they will spend their entire life trying to bring about the goals of the organization.
GS: I can see now where they used these programming techniques, the different mind control techniques.
SV: Well, they did a lot of what you might call human experimentation. And they had a lot of research protocols going on. So one thing I did was to supervise the research going on. I was teaching the younger trainers and head trainers how to do things more efficiently, how to do their job well, but also reviewing their research reports for errors or problems. Eventually, I became kind of a consultant. If a problem occurred, or they didn’t know how to install something, or if they needed assistance, I would help them with problem solving as well.
GS: We’re talking about jobs in the Illuminati, the practical daily jobs that these members of this group, who are infiltrated in America heavily… what they do. Now one thing I find interesting, Svali, knowing the media… Doing some background checks on a lot of the top media people in our country, they all come from these very wealthy families. (Laughs) Now that’s not the typical MO for a journalist. A journalist is somebody who grows up on the street, wants to talk to people. I can think of Jimmy Breslin, guys who never went to college, didn’t know how to type, and just got in there, took their tie off and started writing stories. But you know, as you look at the media now, there are all these silver spoon kids – growing up with silver spoons. I find that quite interesting. How deeply infiltrated, from your knowledge, are they in our media?
SV: Wow. Pretty! I do know, uh, fairly deeply! I remember that when I was in San Diego on Leadership Council during meetings, they would laugh about how people had no idea of how much they were being influenced and didn’t even know it! They found that kind of amusing, which is… I mean, that’s the mindset of people in the group, though. They’re like, “The sheep have no idea that they’re being led by the hand”. [Think of the hidden hand gesture.] And they find it amusing because they show it as evidence of… I mean, I’m just describing what they say, I don’t agree with it now, but they saw as evidence of the stupidity of the m… of the average person – that they have no idea. I’m not saying that every news story or every newscaster is a member of the group… by no means. But, they specifically do teach and train and educate children that show an aptitude for the media, because they want that. And if the person has a bright, charismatic personality, and presents well, then that child will go into that, if they have their verbal communication and other skills required.
GS: Well, you know, that could explain why a lot of our stories really never get covered, outside of the influence they have financially and the ownership of the media.
SV: That’s absolutely not by coincidence!
GS: It explains a lot of things. Look at the war in Iraq. Look at the evidence there that shows what is wrong. Look at what they’re doing in Iran right now. I mean, it’s incredible. All this stuff is pretty obvious, people. There’s something behind it. Svali is here trying to explain this organization from her knowledge, and it is quite, quite a story.
You were involved as a trainer of mind programming. I mean, this is just, I’m looking at some of the chapters in a book you have yet to publish in paper book form. We’re talking about brainwave, color control, metal, jewel programming, programming link to stories and movies… I mean, it goes into suicidal programming.
Svali, what type of programming do they actually teach you, and how do you learn these different techniques?
SV: Well, you’re taught from childhood on. My training in how to be a programmer started very young. I was mentored by another programmer at the age of 5, by a doctor at George Washington University. Not only did he do the programming on me, but also taught me how to do it to others. The types of programming… again, that could be a whole ten-hour segment to go into depth. From the time a child is an infant, all through their life basically, they are tested, they are profiled. Trainers can create a psychological profile, and then they update it frequently. Basically, they are trying to install in this child the ability to obey, loyalty to the group, and the ability to do their job within the group.
Now those jobs vary in complexity. You may have on one side a child trained to be a prostitute. On the other end you may have a child trained to become a governmental figure, which is a lot more complex programming. But as long as the loyalty to the group is instilled, and that is the first and foremost programming always installed, then no matter what their eventual role is, they will remain loyal. And that becomes their first loyalty. Whatever nation, whatever their public role in life is, their first and foremost loyalty will be to the group, and to serve its goals – whether they know.
A lot of times, the goal is also to be able to help the child create that complete division between their day role and their night role. So a pleasant, charming, wonderful, kind person in the daytime could be an absolutely cold, ruthless person at night – or during the day, you know, it’s also during the day they do it.
Then you may have a housewife with children who goes out and completes a courier job for the group. And no one would ever suspect her. Who is going to suspect that this lovely-looking little housewife with a baby in a car seat is actually carrying some valuable documents?
Again, the first and foremost other thing was to instill loyalty, and they want to discourage people from questioning orders. They really don’t want you questioning that, and they want you to obey their directives. Should people show signs of not doing that, then they go on for tune-ups. Actually, people are being programmed all through their life! We used to call them tune-ups. It’s a lifelong process for members of the group.
GS: But what went wrong with you? I mean, the dropout rate probably is very low…
SV: Extremely low. When I was very young I absolutely believed in the goals of the group. You never saw a more loyal group member. I thought that they were saving the world. I thought that we were doing a wonderful thing. But the older I got, I started to see the methods that were being used for so long, and that the ends do not justify the means. I became increasingly cynical, partly because I saw what I was doing to people. I was lying to them. I was manipulating them. I was telling them things that weren’t true. I remember questioning this, thinking, “I was told lies as a child too, then. I was manipulated”. And finally you start to question, as an adult, the things you were taught.
GS: Svali, you wrote an article that is kind of interesting – “A Day in the Life of a Trainer for the Illuminati”. Tell us what you went through in a normal day in your role at the Illuminati. Go ahead.
SV: Okay. Basically, I would get up. At the time that I described in that article, I was teaching at a Christian school. And so I would get up, I would get my two children dressed and ready for school. Just like a normal mom, you know, go through the day, come home. We’d have little friends over and play, and stuff like that. Then, you know, have dinner. I was a good mom. I was your average American housewife – on the surface. But underneath the surface, then my husband and I would remind each other on nights when there was a meeting. And then what we would do is when we would go to sleep, I had programming in place that would allow me to wake up within ten minutes of the specified time. If I knew there was a meeting that night, I would wake up ten minutes before it was time to get ready and go. A lot of times we would even go to bed with our clothes on. And I never really thought that was abnormal, you know. I thought everyone went to bed with their clothes on. I didn’t even question it, you know, on nights when we had meetings. I thought, “Oh, it’s warmer”. (Laughs)
And then we’d get up and go, and drive to the meeting. I was also very involved in Military in San Diego. In fact, the group has a lot of military orientation. So on top I would take the kids to their area; there was an area where the kids would go and change. They had a room and we would have like baskets of clothes, and we would change our clothing. You’d pick out your clothing, it had your name on it, and put on your uniform. Or whatever you wore that night. The kids would wear these little miniature military uniforms.
Then they would go out and do their training exercises. They were learning how to march, how to shoot. All kids in the Illuminati, at least in that area, know how to take apart a gun, put it together and shoot with deadly accuracy by the age of eight years old! Martial arts, there’s a lot of martial arts training. Sometimes I’d help supervise that, or fill in if there’s a military trainer who was absent. Everyone had to be – there was a lot of cross training. But most of the time I supervised the training. I would be working on implementing programming, or what we’d call tuning up – reinforcing previously installed programming in adults.
At that point I was normally supervising the younger trainers. They would be doing it, and I would be there watching and making sure they did it correctly. Or I would be also evaluating whether – sometimes every once in a while we’d be working on something that was somewhat experimental, and then I would be taking a more active role, assessing the person’s responses to the new protocol, recording it and if there was any difference between established parameters for that protocol or expected responses, I would be flagging that.
These were all members of the group! Oh! I can tell you that in San Diego, twenty percent of the active members of the group were active military. And think of military intelligence. Think high-ranking officials, colonels, (laughs), commanders. My ex-husband was a lieutenant commander in the Navy, getting ready to become a commander, okay? These are not stupid people.
GS: So you were basically working on the programming of the members involved.
SV: Oh yeah. Yeah. No, we didn’t program people who were not members of the group. You cannot install significantly traumatic mind-control programming in a person who is not a member of the group.
Now there are certain… what you can do is what we call passive programming, which is basically through media means. If someone’s watching a television program, they go immediately into alpha state. Everyone in the group, even a baby in the group knows that, because these people are very much into behavioral psychology. That’s a trance state, almost, a very relaxed state where messages can be implemented. And that’s why I very strongly suggest people be very careful about the TV shows they watch! That’s all I will say about that.
But no, you cannot take an adult who is not a member of the group and do what we did to them. They would go psychotic, or they wouldn’t survive it, probably. They wouldn’t be able to psychologically handle it.
GS: Tell us some examples of what you were doing. Program techniques.
SV: Sometimes, it would involve, normally we would start with a hypnotic induction or even sometimes we would inject a medication. A lot of times especially young children have a lot of fear when they are going into programming, but adults do too. We want them to relax. We give them a very short-acting medication to relax them.
We would then invoke a hypnotic state in them. If it was an older person I would be checking that the codes are already installed. If I was getting ready to install programming in like a young child, I would tell them, explain to them very patiently exactly the behavior expected. I’d say, “I want you to do this, and this, and this”. I break it up into steps. Then I’d say, “First we’re going to practice this”.
I would show the child what I want them to do – I would model it. I would then tell the child, “Do it!” The child would then do it, okay? But, normally they won’t do it well the first time, so he or she would get shocked. That was called, because the group very much uses what they call positive and negative reinforcement. Okay? If a child did not do it perfectly the first time, they are shocked. That’s the negative reinforcement.
Then I would say, “Do it again!” They would show me the behavior.
Now at this point we start associating the behavior with an external stimulus or cue, too. Now a lot of times a child… If this is a behavior, though, that we want associated with a specific code, the child will often then traumatized very heavily first, to create a fragmentation in their personality. Then the behavior and the associated cue are given. You might hear a tone, like “ding ding ding”. I say, “All right, I want you to do this”. Ding ding ding. The child hears the tone, they get up and they do the behavior. Once they can perform it perfectly, they are rewarded with praise, “Good job”, or a hug. Children like hugs, or something like that.
Then you do it over, and over, and over. That’s why trainers have to be very patient people. Because then maybe after the child has done it fifty times, then they hear the cue, they get up, and they do it. It’s not even a conscious… it’s reflexive. At that point it’s considered installed.
For very, very important programming, – I’m talking about like end-level assassin programming, because we did train people how to assassinate people, and that’s a whole other topic. I don’t want to go into here – what we would then do, a ritual to seal the programming, afterwards.
GS: I was looking at some of your articles. One was “Christmas in the Cult”. You say this is quite different for you, when you were growing up, than it is for most children.
SV: Yeah, we had trees and presents and things like that. But for most children, Christmas is just happy time, you know, lots of presents. But in the group, there are some very high ceremonies that are celebrated. Several times, in fact many times, I flew into Germany. And there, there wasn’t a Santa Claus. They had a figure called Father Yule who represents Christmas there. But he is not the kind of benevolent Santa that you see here. This is a man with a golden scepter, dressed in a white robe, and a golden sash around.
I was once at the German Father’s house, where there was a gathering with children and adults, and Father Yule was present. He raises the scepter, and basically strikes down a child in front of everyone. He struck down the child with his, his scepter. And that… that is not what you call a happy Christmas, you know? And at the same time, yes, we did have a tree, you know, and fruitcake and all that, and decorate the house, but there is another side to Christmas.
GS: We have leaders in our country that have probably gone through this kind of stuff. I mean, uh, it’s just incredible, this group. I know they’ve been around for a long, long time, thousands of years, and gone through it, came here. George Washington was a 33rd degree Mason…
I just wonder how… you know, you write a story, “The End of the Illuminati”. How do we get rid of these people? What do you think?
SV: Well, I believe that, as strongly as a Christian, that it’s a spiritual warfare as well as an emotional and psychological warfare. I believe that, by the grace of God. But I will also say that when I was in the group, a lot of the members are not happy. You have people in the group that are there because they love it, because they believe in our goals; they are totally dedicated. But to be honest, a lot… I often knew as many people who would have left in a minute if they thought that they could get out, and make it.
GS: Do they marry you to somebody in the group, or is that forced on you?
SV: No. In the group, the marriages are always arranged, in my experience. In my 38 years in the group, I never knew of a couple, in the Illuminati, that did not have an arranged marriage. It can’t be…
GS: You just mentioned a couple that I suspect. Clinton and uh, Bill and Hillary.
SV: Oh, well, yeah! Yes! Definite. Definite. A lot of times, these marriages are arranged for compatibility, but also for bloodlines – to bring the right bloodlines together.
GS: it’s a very lucrative way to live, I imagine.
SV: Oh, yeah!
SV: Oh, yeah! That’s the main thing, that’s one of the factors that keeps people in. The reason more people don’t leave is because leaving means giving up your husband, your children, your entire family on both sides, your money. And basically, for a lot of people, leaving the group means giving up everything, and starting out penniless and alone. Not only that, but you’re combating child programming to recontact, to go back, to be loyal, to be a good member. And I know many people have tried to leave and went back, because they just couldn’t take it.
GS: Do you want to take a phone call right now?
GS: Okay. Marilyn, in California. Marilyn?
Marilyn (ML): I lost part of it, I’ve been listening on the Internet. I didn’t quite catch it. How did this woman become involved in this Illuminati training?
SV: I was taught it from early childhood. I was mentored into it. Trainers in the group are mentored. You work with older adults, and they show you, and you are given increasing responsibility. And so by the time you are in your teens, you are basically doing adult training responsibilities. You’ve been taught for years.
ML: Are these private schools?
SV: Well, my children were schooled at private Christian schools. They were all Illuminati. Okay?
ML: Oh, you’re saying that the Christian schools are Illuminati…
SV: Some of them are. Not all – but some! The ones that my children in were, specifically. But no, there’s a lot of good Christian schools that have nothing to do with the group, but some can be. Now, I went to a public school, but what’s interesting is, out of three public schools I went to as a young child, two burned down. So there’s no access to any school records.
ML: When you say the Vatican, now that is not a Christian religion, okay? Now I’m a Christian. Catholics isn’t a Christian religion, we look at them as the precursor of the New World Religion. So…
GS: Well, you know, if I may just break in. I grew up a Catholic. I don’t get involved in the splicing of the religions. I’m basically stating that when I started researching the Illuminati as a reporter in Rome, and I realized there was a bad portion of the Church, I looked at it. I had to deal with the evil and the good. So that’s the way I reconciled it. The evil within the Catholic Church, at the high level of the Vatican, which seeps down into many, many areas.
ML: I won’t agree with it, but it sounds like you have become possibly born again to get out of this? Would I be correct in that?
SV: Yes. Yes. Now first, I do want to say I am not slamming the Catholic Church or the average Catholic. I have many good friends that are Catholics. I became a Christian, and that was the only way I could get out. But just so you know, too, a lot of card-carrying Illuminists, well we don’t really carry cards, but I’m using that term, are members of the Baptist church, are members of Pentecostal churches. I was on a worship team for a Wesleyan church in San Diego… in my day life. Okay?
ML: Oo-kay. Uh, yeah. Very, very confused. I mean, I, uh, I think this is interesting. Many people say that the Catholic Church will be the forerunner of the New World Religion.
SV: The average Catholic has no idea of what’s going on in the Vatican.
GS: Well, I’ll tell you something. As an average Catholic [Note that Greg is not a Christian] going to Rome my first time in 1980, I didn’t know what was going on [he claims], and I grew up as a Catholic, went to Notre Dame High School. It was quite a learning experience for me.
There are many Catholics who aren’t actively practicing. I didn’t know what the Church [read: Catholicism, not the Christian church!] was about.
But you know, something strange did happen when I was young. My mom died, and I was ten years old. My brother was six months old at the time she died of leukemia. It was a very, very tragic affair – left my dad and me and my brother alone. And I remember my dad literally took a priest, a head Monsignor in our parish. And I won’t even tell you where. Saint John Rebove (ph), right outside of Chicago. This man came into our house, I’ll never forget it. He said that he was going to put me and my little brother in an orphanage. My dad literally picked him up and threw him out the door! And from that point on, my dad never went back to [that] church again. My brother never went to a Catholic school. I of course asked if I could finish, only because I had friends there. But you know, who knows what would have happened, you know, looking back on the craziness that goes on in the [Catholic] Church.
But let’s go back to when you were in the Illuminati. How did this happen? How did you finally leave? Tell us this whole story about you leaving the Illuminati. We haven’t touched on that yet.
SV: Sure. Well, I do want to say one thing that I agree with Marilyn on. Without faith in God, I couldn’t have done it. I became a Christian, and that was for me revolutionary, because it made me question again more of what I was being taught, or had believed all my life. I began to realize that what I was doing was wrong. I became increasingly cynical.
I also then started standing up to the head trainer in the county who despised me. He would do things that were just blatantly cruel for no reason whatsoever. I’d say, “You’re wrong”. Well, people don’t like that. He took it out on me in a lot of horrible ways. I finally made the decision to run. I ran to this… to another state, because I knew that my chances of getting out while still staying in that area with people I knew, surrounded by people who were in the group, was not going to be very good. So I went to another state.
GS: You had to leave your family and everything, right?
SV: Everything. Well, my children were with their grandparents. At that point, I thought that was better than them being with my husband. I was going to go get my kids. But my husband then called and he said, “I want to reunite with you”. And I said, “Okay, that’s wonderful”. And I said, “But you have to get help. You have to get some treatment, because we can’t go on. You’ve got to get out of the group”. He said, “Okay. Help me get the kids and I’ll meet you in a week”.
So the day before, he called and said, “I’ll be there tomorrow”, blah blah blah. And so I was excited, thinking, “Oh, he’s getting out, he’s getting out, that’s wonderful!” Instead, he went… he had gotten the kids several days before. He was lying to me, and I didn’t know it. He had gone to a judge. And the day that he was supposed to arrive, there was a knock on my door. It was a policeman serving me divorce papers, and also a restraining order, saying that I could not come within a hundred yards of my husband or my children. And at that point, I felt slightly punished (sigh) for leaving the group.
I fought that, and it… (sighs)… I fought for four years with a court system that said things like this didn’t occur, because my husband would go into court and say, “This woman is psychotic. She’s making it all up. There’s no way. Ha, ha, ha. This stuff doesn’t happen in this day and age”. And the judge would say, “You’re right”. Slam. Full custody to their father. And I had to have supervised visitation for four years with my own children, so that… because I was considered a kidnap risk.
Through a lot of prayer, I had my whole church praying for me here in Texas, and through Lambley Research and miracles, my children were finally allowed unsupervised visitation with me, after four years. During that time, I said to my daughter, who was fourteen, “I want so badly for you to get out”. And she looks at me, and she starts going hyperventilating, extremely terrified: “Oh! You shouldn’t have said that, Mom! You shouldn’t have said that, Mom!” You know? She just… she just freaked out. She just totally lost it. And I realized that it was her programming cycling, because she was just terrified. You know, she’s like, terrified, very rapid: “Why did you say that, why did you say that?”, and I said, “It’s okay, it’s okay, honey, calm down, calm”. And the following… she was just shaking and shaking. And then finally she said, “Well, I don’t want to go back and get hurt”. And then I said, “You don’t have to”. And at that point I faced federal prison, but I called my ex, and I said, “I will not let those children go back and get hurt again”. And he flew out to get them, and he could have put me in prison at that time, because I was breaking the custody visitation. And you know how strong the courts are on that! And I said to him, “Please… Look!” Because it was so nice. My daughter and son both said, “We don’t want to go back, Dad. We don’t want to get hurt. We don’t want to do this anymore”. He looked at them, and he said, “I want to go think about it”. He went home, and I was praying for him at the time.
And then that night he called me, and he said, delirious, hyperventilating: “Oh my God. Oh my God!” I said, “What is it?” He said, “We’ve gotta get out! We’ve gotta get out!” And I said, “Yes! You do!” And then he made the decision to get out. At that point, he went to a Notary Public. He did a legal case document, giving me full custody of my children. And then he said he was so sorry for, he put me through, the H, E, L, L he had put me through for years.
GS: Now, have you had any reprisals from people in the group since you were leaving, or any warnings?
GS: To keep quiet, or anything like that?
SV: Yes. Oh, yeah! Oh… yeah, of course! There’s one time when I did write one article that named some specific dates and times. And I got hurt afterwards, and it made me very cautious. That’s why I don’t give a lot of radio interviews, and why I don’t do a lot of this. That’s one reason why.
GS: Well, I appreciate this, because you know, the number of people you’re going to help, by… maybe, maybe waking up the American people to what is really going on. Sometimes you can wake up many more people by a person like you, than talking about a hundred million different generalities.
Let me take a call. Chris (CH), in Washington.
CH: Hi. Svali, I just want to say how much I appreciate your bravery, in presenting this information in the way that you are. I’ve read your website recently. And my question is very simple. Based on the information that you’re presenting, I’m wondering what timeline the organization of the larger Family that you’re describing has for implementing the New World Order?
SV: Okay. I was told it would occur during my generation. I was told that by the year 2050 that they would be revealed. Now again, their timelines change, though. In fact, I jokingly referred to them as being like the Soviet Union, because you know how they had their five and ten year plans, and then things always got changed? In my own lifetime I saw several different timelines for things that were supposed to occur, and change. But as Greg noted, I’ve also heard of, from different people, that actually there is a huge push in the last few years. It’s like, “It’s close. It’s close. Let’s make things happen more quickly”. So I couldn’t begin to guess whether that’s an accurate timeline or not. I know what I was told.
CH: I have a follow up question and that’s it… I have recently, against my own resistance to doing so, investigated, started to investigate fringe matters, if you will. Among them, the upcoming date on the Mayan Calendar of 2012. And as I’ve done this research, I’ve allowed myself just to be open to this information without believing anything I’m reading. One of the ideas that is presenting itself is that around 2012, not just according to the Mayan Calendar but many other theories out there, that we will be undergoing, as a planet, a revolutionary shift, if you will, of some kind or another. And I’m wondering in the back of my mind if there might be any kind of race against the clock on that scale, if you will – especially if we’re talking about a potential spiritual warfare…
SV: Oh, yeah.
CH: …using your words in play here. Do you see a possible relation there?
SV: Yes, I do. And, 2012 is an important year. But again, I was not told that the final “Revealing” would occur then. But I believe that probably… what will happen is that there will be events taking place that will help to set the stage. But it’s going to be… I was told… again, I’m telling you what I was told while a member of the group, so please take it with a grain of salt. Because as I know, these people aren’t always honest or trustworthy – they are deceptive! But I was told that there would be an enormous economic collapse prior to the Revealing. That basically the stock market would destabilize. And I was told it would make the Great Depression look like Sunday school. And at that time, they’re going to really be manipulating finances to bring about chaos, confusion, warfare, and then… But see, I don’t like to be so negative. But I am telling you what I was taught when I was in the group, you know?
CH: Well, I so appreciate it. And I’m sure we all do. You’re a great voice.
SV: Well, thank you! I appreciate that very much. But out of this chaos they said would come “order”. You see, the group believes that out of chaos comes order.
GS: Let me take another call. Uh, Harper (HP) in Canada. Harper? Go ahead.
HP: Great, thanks… and Svali, I read your expose when it came out on Suite101.com a few years ago, and I always wondered what happened to you, because you vanished from Suite 101. So it’s great to hear about you. A couple quick questions, I’ll make them real fast. First is the term “Moriah Conquering Wind”. I’d never heard that before or since I read it in your expose. I wondered if you could elaborate on that term a little bit. I also wanted to ask you if this cult, as far as you know, claims to or believes to derive any of its heritage from Atlantis or any other lost civilization. Okay?
SV: I’m not sure about the reference to Moriah you’re describing, because Moriah is… is our name. But I certainly can address the second question. The Illuminati completely believe that Atlantis is real. They teach it to their children as part of the oral history. They believe that it was one of the greatest civilizations that ever existed, and one of the most advanced. What they teach… their take on it is that Atlantis was a great race of highly intelligent people who had a highly advanced faith, and who were highly enlightened. But what they teach the Illuminati children is that then this prophet of the enemy, who was a prophet of God, came and foretold their destruction if they didn’t change their ways. They were definitely occultists! They were Luciferians on Atlantis. That was the religion. And in fact, a lot of the advances that Atlantis enjoyed was passed down to them through supernatural means… that is what I will say. So they laughed at the prophet. In fact, they killed him. And, he… I guess sometime afterward, we were taught that a few inhabitants escaped, but that tragically the great city was lost.
The Illuminati to this day mourn the loss of Atlantis, because they feel that these were… that the few survivors that left were among the great people who helped found the what you would call the precursors of Illuminism.
HP: And I wanted to ask you if you have any reason to believe that people, men and/or women at the top of the pyramid, so to speak, practice a kind of magic where they are kind of skipping through time, in other words…
SV: Oh! Oh! Yes! Oh, without even being at the top… Oh, yes!
HP: …their body leaving, their soul or spirit leaving one body and coming and being born into another one, and therefore, you know, living through time.
SV: Oh yeah! Yeah! Oh, yes! Yes, All the time. In fact, see, now this, now I didn’t go there in this interview. You start telling wackos, you start discussing things like that. But in the spiritual side, they very much teach things like [the deception of] time travel, traveling out of body, you know, psychic battling, things like that – things that cannot be explained by logic. And I saw things that I cannot explain through human intellect or reasoning, that were highly supernatural [related to occultism, witchcraft, magic, etc.], and involved all of that… and more.
HP: Okay, great. Pleasure to speak with you, Ma’am, and God bless you.
SV: Okay, God bless you too.
GS: Okay, I think we have Dave Wilcock (DW) called in. [You heard that right, Freemason David Wilcock, and Svali is unaware of it.] I think you know Dave through emails, Svali.
DW: …. I’ve been reading your stuff for so long, and you share so willingly and openly about yourself. It’s a real honor to be able to speak with you in person like this…
SV: Well, thank you!
DW: I think one of the things I’d really like to have covered here is [this]. You shared with me in an email recently about these stages of enlightenment that they try to guide people through… I would like you to try to sketch out for people how the behavioral conditioning that’s coming through the media, the movies, and so forth, might have affected them. In other words, what personality characteristics would you see in a person when they have been influenced by these teachings? How would the average person, who is not really a bad person, start to be leaning, if the Illuminati teachings were actually having an effect on them? What would they be like? What would start happening?
SV: Well, again, as I said, the average person is not going to be a member of the group, so the influence would be much less. But the media, I believe that… well, I know! I don’t believe, I know that some of the media that we’re seeing nowadays is specifically targeted towards teaching people their philosophy or goals. All you have to do is watch the children’s cartoons on Saturday morning, and almost across the board, you’ll see morphing, power battles, occult[ism]…. And that’s intentional!
Movies coming out. Basically, if a person is being influenced by their teaching, that person will learn to not trust their own instincts, their own feelings, their own body, their own perceptions. They will be looking outside for guidance! Second of all, they will be moving towards a heavily occultic worldview – that leaning upon the occult is heavily encouraged. All you have to do is watch Harry Potter, you know! Or the Matrix! If you want to know pure Illuminist philosophy, the Matrix shows it. Definitely! The entire philosophy!
DW: Oh yeah. Right down with Morpheus being broken down with the injections, and they said that it’s like hacking a computer.
SV: Yeah! That’s an excellent [example].
GS: Svali, we talked about the mid-levels you were involved in as a head trainer. How low do they go? I said all along they’re involved in gang stalking, the MK-Ultra program, infiltrating truth organizations, infiltrating groups that are trying to do good. How far down do they go?
SV: Well, they go down to the sister group levels I mentioned. The sister groups have anywhere from, usually roughly around 30 members. And those are what a lot of people would consider the… what you would consider the satanic cults, with a high priest and priestess. That would be the local level, the lower level. But those people are also very active in their community. And so, they will be involved in intricate infiltrating activities when possible. Because to them, it’s not infiltrating… it’s helping. They think they’re helping the group, or helping people by becoming a member and spreading the influence.
GS: Svali, tell us in your own words. You’re now living a life completely away from them. What’s your hopes of the future in our country right now?
SV: My hope is that people will realize that this is happening, and that they will start doing something about it – that they will start looking at it. Now again, we’re talking about people who are mentally wealthy, but it won’t be easy. But if people could rise up in prayer, and just say, “This isn’t okay”… If people would become informed enough to learn more about it, be aware they exist… and then, possibly, pray!
GS: We’re all out of time. We’re going to end on that prayer. I really thank you for coming forward. You’re very courageous. We’ll talk again.
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About Greg Szymanski
‘A friend introduced me (a listener to one of his radio shows) to Greg Szymanski and his Arctic Beacon website. In order for me to trust what a researcher has to say, I need to know who that person is. I can tell you for sure who Greg Szymanski is not. He is not a Bible believing born again Christian.
Szymanski’s website was either moved or deleted. In fact, the entire website has changed to one of a foreign language, Indonesian. Maybe Greg Szymanski changed his mind and turned to the truth of the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ? The Word who became flesh and died for our sins on a wooden cross so we can be redeemed from satan and have a relationship with our Creator.’